what ISN"T a self portrait?

topic posted Sun, August 5, 2007 - 9:26 PM by  FaernWorks™
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FaernWorks™
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  • Re: what ISN"T a self portrait?

    Sun, August 5, 2007 - 11:28 PM
    That is an interesting question because portraits of other people can sometimes be portraits of ourselves.
    • Re: what ISN"T a self portrait?

      Mon, August 6, 2007 - 12:02 PM
      Can portraits of other people be self-portraits?
      I'm thinking that it would be hard to understand someone's mind and body as well as I understand my own mind and body.
      Then their's aristic familiarity- how familiar you are with someone's likeness. There are some models Iv'e drawn over and over again, but I don't undersand their mind as well as I understand their likeness. I understand my son but I rarely draw him. It would be interesting if an artist was in a close partnership of somekind and made hundereds of images of his partner. What I'm saying is you have to know something exceptionally well in order for it to be a self-portrait. Anything that you can't make an image of with your eyes closed is not a self portrait.
      • Re: what ISN"T a self portrait?

        Mon, August 6, 2007 - 2:43 PM
        first thought...

        "It would be interesting if an artist was in a close partnership of somekind and made hundereds of images of his partner"--> well, as a matter of fact-Alfred Steiglitz DID take hundreds of images of Georgia Okeeffe

        i personally can't all the way vibe with a portrait of another person being a self portrait-
        yes
        every piece of art has a little of the artist- and sometimes more of the artist than the subject- but that's because of what xica used as an example....
        but
        what i can allow for in my mind is
        a part of another person being the self portrait... in a way-
        in a meager way, for instance-
        "your toe looks just like my toe"
        but that's a pretty poor example

        or

        if somehow you know someone well enough to use their sensibilities to represent your own somehow

        ....?
        • Re: what ISN"T a self portrait?

          Mon, August 6, 2007 - 3:41 PM
          What I was thinking was the concept that what might initiate your interest in making a portrait of someone else could be the fact you see a similarity in that person. Then, during the process of making the portrait some of your own personality is put into the portrait of the other person. It is anyway, from an artistic point of view. It is your artistry that makes the portrait look the way it does when it is finished. An example is that recently my mother-in-law painted a picture of my son. The painting looks more like her than it does my son.
          • Leaking Self

            Sat, September 8, 2007 - 12:17 PM
            That makes sense Judith. It's like an accident or a lack of control when too much of your own artistic sensbilities leak out into the image and corrupt the information. My example of that would be Modigliani. He painted lots of portraits but they all have the same oval face and long neck. So the viewer will never know what the subject actually looked like only the artists style.
            So Iv'e changed my theory to any image in which you strictly limit the amount of your own individual style is not a self-portrait. Whenever you say I'm going to make an image that is a faithful and exact reprensentation of the subject, you are not making a self-portrait. The opposite would be any image ,no matter what the subject, that is highly stylized is a self-portrait. It would be an interesting project to make two images of yourself. One that is an exact non-stylized reprensentation of yourself- Not a self-portrait. One that is a very stylized, not exact image of yourself -A selfportrait.
            It seems like photography would be less influenced by the leaking self phenomenon than drawing and painting would be. Maybe.

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